How to win with them
The deck has a slow build-up, despite the heavy use of cards that increase transfers before/during the influence phase like "Zillahs Valley" or "Information Highway". The deck often starts as late turn 4 or 5, and in this phase is quite low on pool. During the first rounds after the inital vampire is brought into the controlled region it is mandatory to either have a pool gaining vote like "Ancient Influence" or "Parity Shift" passed and/or a "Minion Tap" played on this minion to regain 5+ pool.
After the initial buildup and bringing out a second (or sometimes third) "Inner Circle" vampire, the deck starts in the late midgame to become dangerous. Then it can use its voting and bleed power to full extent, often having vote lock at the table.
The deck use a wide variety of political cards, most prominently
- "Kine Resource Contested" / "Conservative Agitation" -- main ousting cards
- "Protect Thine Own" (before it was banned) -- the ultimate vampire killer
- "Banishment" -- to remove key vampires from prey or predator
- "Political Stranglehold" / "Ancient Influence" / "Reins of Power" -- to gain pool/damage prey
Bleed actions are sometimes used to distract potential blockers, especially if the acting vampire can play a "Majesty" during combat or "Freak Drive" after the action, to perform a political action. One of the strengths of the deck is that a prey must be always aware of the fact that each of these large cap vampires can either bleed and take political actions to harm them. So the prey must take careful considerations what actions to block (or at least trying to block).
The deck uses either the inherent votes or, to a lesser extent, vote pushing cards like "Awe" and "Bewitching Oraction" to make the following referendum sucessful. A handful of "Voter Captivations" are used to refill the vampires and bloat a little bit.
During the endgame the deck, if the player is not ousted, usually becomes the proverbial steamroller, crushing its preys often in rapid sucession, since everyone is more or less low and pool, and the continued political actions or bleeds are taking its toll.
Bleed defense
The deck has the usual "Dominate" bleed defense cards in particular "Deflection", since most of the deck's vampires have superior "Dominate" and enough blood to play even multiple "Deflections" per turn. Some decks replacing some IC members with princes or justicars replace some (or sometimes even all of the bleed bounce cards by "Second Tradition: Domain" and "Obedience"/"Majesty".
Vote defense
The vote defense is quite good, since both the IC votes plus the "Ventrue Headquarters" give enough votes to gain vote lock at almost all the tables. For this reason deck omits the traditional defensive vote cards like "Delaying Tactics" or "Confusion of the Eye".
Combat defense
Since the deck isn't very combat orientated, it has a mix of cards to avoid or end combat, Usually this is the classic mix of "Majesty", "Obedience" and "Secure Haven". So the deck often has problems especially against Rush or Intercept combat featuring "Psyche" or "Immortal Grapple" .
How to win against them
This is a deck archetype you do not want to leave alone for too long. Properly staffed with 2 to 3 "Inner Circle" members it's very hard to stop, since it's often not easy to block these minions and with 8 to 12 votes your opponent often has vote lock on the table. One disadvantage of the deck is its notoriety, which as a prey or predator of this deck you can turn to your advantage. Especially as a predator of the IC vote deck you should incite your grandprey to going backwards, since if your grand prey is not playing a fast deck, he will get too much pressure in the midgame to withstand.
As a prey of this deck you need to consider if you can oust your prey before the IC deck ousts you. And if not, going backwards against this deck is mandatory. You need to remove at least one IC, even considering a diablerie; you may even convince the table for getting away with this, since "Arika" (or "Leandro" or ..) is eeevvvil.
If the IC vote deck cannot regain the pool by playing "Minion Taps" on its big cap vampires, it usually gets into trouble. The "Voter Captivations" are still there, but the "Minion Taps" for 6 - 8 pool are the deck most important pool (re-)gain. So playing "Sudden Reversal" and "Wash" against the "Minion Taps" is definetely slowing down an IC deck, eventually maybe even killing it. Also helpful are "Delaying Tactics" against the once-per-game votes, since the IC player can discard them immediately, since they are considered played if the "Delaying Tactics" has been canceled them.
A fast stealth or power bleed deck can oust this deck quickly, especially if the "Minion Taps" are canceled by "Sudden Reversal" or "Wash". But a bleed deck should be aware that the IC vote deck will either try to backoust if too much pressure on it or may try to turn the pressure to its prey by playing bleed bounce (most often "Deflection").
As rush or intercept combat decks, need to be aware of the numerous combat ending cards (like "Majesty" or "Obedience") the IC members play. So either you need to rush/block consistently or in the case of "Strike: Combat Ends" you need the usual suspects of cards like "Immortal Grapple", "Psyche" or "Telephatic Tracking". Again diablerzing one of the IC members may be an option if the rest of the table is cooperating, and has more votes than the IC deck, once one of the IC members is in torpor.
Key Cards
- "Information Highway" / "Zillah's Valley" -- influence accelerator to minimize disdvantage of late big cap appearances.
- "Protect Thine Own" -- previously one of the signature cards of an IC vote deck, but with the ban of this card, the deck archetype is weakend considerably.
- "Ancient Influence" / "Reins of Power" / "Political Strangehold" -- once-per-game votes for gaining pool and/or damaging other player's pool.
- "Banishment" -- after the demise of PTO the main weapon to remove vampires from the controlled region (at least for the current turn).
- "Voter Captivation" -- pool gain and more importantly refiller for the vampires who have been emptied with "Minion Tap" before.
- "Minion Tap" -- main pool gain/recovery.
The deck has some variations, which mainly focus on crypt variation.
- The first one is a fusion of the IC Vote deck and the "Ventrue w/ Obfuscate Vote" archetype. A number of IC members particularly "Gwendolyn", "Harrod" and "Stanislava" are replaced by high cap princes or justicars (often of clan "Ventrue"). This gives a better coverage of the decks main disciplines "Dominate", "Obfuscate" and "Presence". On the downside the replacement vampires like "Marcus Vitel" or "Queen Anne" lack a bit of power (bleed/vote) when compared to their IC counterparts.
- The second one exchanges a number of "Inner Circle" members with high cap vampires (often "Princes") which have special abilities which make their inclusion valuable. One particular variant features "Maris Streck" for her intercept-giving ability and "Huitzilopochtli" for providing an additional master phase. Other possible additions include "Anson" or "Anneke".
- "IC Vote" by Ruben Van Cauwenberghe -- basic variant with "Parity Shift", "Banishment" and "Protect Thine Own" as main offensive weapons.
- "Arika's Stealthy Southern Baptists" by Cameron Domer -- variant with a large number of "Obedience" and "Second Tradition Domain", lacking any bleed bounce.
- "The Turd" by Rob Treasure -- highly successful variant with "Anneke" and "Anson".
- "Council of Doom" by Vincent Ripoll / Kamel Senni -- variant with "Huitzilopochtli" and "Maris Streck".
Blood Siege
Quezon City, Philippines
28 September 2002
Participants: 13
Deck Name: Turd Too
Created By: Johann Ong
Crypt: (13 cards, Min: 34, Max: 44, Avg: 10.00)
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3 Leandro AUS cel dom OBF PRE 11, Malkavian, Inner Circle
2 Arika aus cel DOM FOR OBF PRE 11, Ventrue, Inner Circle
1 Alexandra ANI AUS CEL dom PRE 11, Toreador, Inner Circle
4 Anneke AUS CEL dom PRE 10, Toreador, Justicar
3 Anson aus CEL dom PRE 8, Toreador, Prince
Library: (83 cards)
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Master (25 cards)
5 Anarch Revolt
3 Dominate
1 Elysium: The Arboretum
1 Giant's Blood
5 Minion Tap
2 Obfuscate
1 Parthenon, The
1 Secure Haven
2 Sudden Reversal
2 Temptation of Greater Power
2 Zillah's Valley
Action (5 cards)
3 Fifth Tradition: Hospitality, The
2 Judgment: Camarilla Segregation
Action Modifier (8 cards)
2 Awe
2 Cloak the Gathering
2 Forgotten Labyrinth
2 Voter Captivation
Political Action (13 cards)
1 Ancient Influence
2 Banishment
3 Dramatic Upheaval
3 Parity Shift
1 Political Stranglehold
2 Protect Thine Own
1 Reinforcements
Reaction (26 cards)
13 Obedience
11 Second Tradition: Domain, The
2 Wake with Evening's Freshness
Combat (6 cards)
6 Majesty
5 comments:
Best version I played and dismantled cause it was too broken was to combine 10 and 11 cap crypt with PRES and bloat with votes to the point that at end game 2 inner circles and a Justicar where burned but I had table win with 5 IC and a Justicar on table at close to full capacity plus around 90 pool.
Sorry, it was long ago and i don't remember the exact crypt and library.
No PTO though. Never could get any of those.
Used lots of Banishments, Kines and The vote that allows you to get cards back from ash heap(4).
Obviously majesties for combat.
I played it 4 times and won all 4.
After that the rest of the play group banned the deck.
Thank you for this interesting article!
I do have a question about the following:
What kind of benefit you get from having 2 or more ready Inner Circle?
I do not see the advantage of having multiple IC but having a Justicar and few princes to help out is great!
Thanks for sharing your opinion
Quite simple. The IC can bleed for three without playing cards. A feat most Justicars/Princes are not capable of. And every other vote deck may need to negotiate political actions with you (depending the overall vote sitation).
Playing Princes & Husticards on the other hand have other benefits as well, especially being able to play Parity Shift or Second Tradition: Domain.
In the end it really depends what kind of deck direction or style of play you intent to use.
shouldn't the new IC decks featuring Lutz, Rafael De Corazon and Adana De Sforza be in here too? It's really the same deck just with a different discipline spread (AUS OBF PRE).
The post is from 2008, thus a bit outdated by now.
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