Please take note the scale is logarithmic, otherwise you wouldn't see much beside the overwhelming number of 90 card decks. It looks as if there's no deck with the size of 69 cards, but due to the logarithmic scale the one deck with 69 cards is not shown.
In addition, some data from the VtES EC 2010. During the EC in Paris the average decksize of the five finalists of the five main tournaments were as follows:
- Legendary Vampire -- 78 cards average
- Last Chance Qualifier -- 78 cards average
- Day 1 Tournament -- 87 cards average
- Day 2 Tournament -- 88 cards average
- First Chance Qualifier -- 90 cards average
In summary, all I am saying is that historically (with the data given) there's no evidence that 90 card deck do inherently better or worse than decks with less cards.
Here's the raw data as extracted from Lasombra's TWDA:
Decksize | # Decks | Decksize Grp | #Decks |
60 | 41 | 60-64 | 57 |
61 | 6 | ||
62 | 3 | ||
63 | 4 | ||
64 | 3 | ||
65 | 9 | 65-69 | 24 |
66 | 8 | ||
67 | 4 | ||
68 | 2 | ||
69 | 1 | ||
70 | 41 | 70-74 | 84 |
71 | 9 | ||
72 | 13 | ||
73 | 9 | ||
74 | 12 | ||
75 | 42 | 75-79 | 111 |
76 | 19 | ||
77 | 28 | ||
78 | 12 | ||
79 | 10 | ||
80 | 87 | 80-84 | 156 |
81 | 16 | ||
82 | 23 | ||
83 | 15 | ||
84 | 15 | ||
85 | 18 | 85-89 | 175 |
86 | 23 | ||
87 | 21 | ||
88 | 48 | ||
89 | 65 | ||
90 | 894 | 90 | 894 |
7 comments:
what is more difficult is that competition in v:tes was not really optimised until like 6-7 years ago.
So the main idea about reducing deck was not around (i remeber an old nnewsgroup postby legbiter where he was coming back from the us and saw david tatu plays with reduced deck)
deck around 75 cards are better for card flow control except on the few games where you will lack some cards to finish up the game.
A few deck need more cards and deck siez just need to be adjusted to deck typology and style of play.
This is some seriously nice data Ralf. Would it be possible to see average deck sizes by date and by tournament size?
I see what I can do to gather some additional data.
Excellent, Ralf !
Impressive!
That's really interesting. And, for what's worth, I'm really intrigued about the deck size increase during the EC2010.
"deck around 75 cards are better for card flow control..."
Agreed.
"A few deck need more cards and deck siez just need to be adjusted to deck typology and style of play."
I'd say, that it's because of default hand size of seven card. In 75 card deck you just don't put that many copies of one or two cards that they'll hinder your "silver bullet" side of your hand.
So, you don't need that much hand recycling and by those standards, you are able to bluff more.
I wonder how people manage to handle deck flow with 90 cards ( with single number of exceptions). I hardly can do it with my reduced decks!!!
Another deck size issue is pure economic. It´s not the same to need 5 parities/ mind rape than to need 3 or 4.
How about differentiating these numbers by deck type and seeing which decks dominated the competition this year? I'd be highly interested in seeing that information.
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